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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark said, &quot;The pleasure/reward in it, for me, often stems from challenges overcome or impediments pushed through.&quot;

Well, yes, but that&#039;s a form of fun, at least in my opinion.  The current MIP is kicking my arse with great abandon (new genre, longer, deeper), but it&#039;s still fun in the sense that I&#039;m creating something with meaning (if only to me) and I&#039;m learning more and getting closer to mastering my craft.  Sorry I wasn&#039;t more clear on that!  (And I call myself a writer, heh.)

And *smacks self* -- I remember reading your review of Pressfield.  I just really, really liked the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark said, &#8220;The pleasure/reward in it, for me, often stems from challenges overcome or impediments pushed through.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes, but that&#8217;s a form of fun, at least in my opinion.  The current MIP is kicking my arse with great abandon (new genre, longer, deeper), but it&#8217;s still fun in the sense that I&#8217;m creating something with meaning (if only to me) and I&#8217;m learning more and getting closer to mastering my craft.  Sorry I wasn&#8217;t more clear on that!  (And I call myself a writer, heh.)</p>
<p>And *smacks self* &#8212; I remember reading your review of Pressfield.  I just really, really liked the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy,

Thanks for these thoughts, plus the additional book recs. Dillard does indeed seem to have a love/hate relationship with writing, but personally I can relate to the notion of writing being not always outright fun. The pleasure/reward in it, for me, often stems from challenges overcome or impediments pushed through. Other times, of course, its unadulterated joy. I can&#039;t get enough of Dillard&#039;s deadpan style, like this bit: &quot;Every book has an intrinsic impossibility, which its writer discovers as soon as his first excitement dwindles.&quot; As a novelist, I find that to be consolingly true.

As for your recs, I have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.soulshelter.com/fulfillment/two-books-to-encourage-console-creatives/ &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written here previously about The War of Art&lt;/a&gt;, which is a book of no modest value. (My &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.soulshelter.com/commonsensical/john-dewey-what-resists-us-helps-us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent Soul Shelter thread&lt;/a&gt; on the subject of Resistance is in part a retort to Pressfield.) I&#039;ll look into your other recs with interest! 

Thanks for reading. And good luck as always with the writing!

~Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy,</p>
<p>Thanks for these thoughts, plus the additional book recs. Dillard does indeed seem to have a love/hate relationship with writing, but personally I can relate to the notion of writing being not always outright fun. The pleasure/reward in it, for me, often stems from challenges overcome or impediments pushed through. Other times, of course, its unadulterated joy. I can&#8217;t get enough of Dillard&#8217;s deadpan style, like this bit: &#8220;Every book has an intrinsic impossibility, which its writer discovers as soon as his first excitement dwindles.&#8221; As a novelist, I find that to be consolingly true.</p>
<p>As for your recs, I have <a href="http://www.soulshelter.com/fulfillment/two-books-to-encourage-console-creatives/ " rel="nofollow">written here previously about The War of Art</a>, which is a book of no modest value. (My <a href="http://www.soulshelter.com/commonsensical/john-dewey-what-resists-us-helps-us/" rel="nofollow">recent Soul Shelter thread</a> on the subject of Resistance is in part a retort to Pressfield.) I&#8217;ll look into your other recs with interest! </p>
<p>Thanks for reading. And good luck as always with the writing!</p>
<p>~Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tharp&#039;s on my keeper shelf, right next to Brande, Ueland, King, and a few others.  Dillard&#039;s on my shelf, but I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ll keep her -- she seems to dislike writing, which makes me wonder why she does it if she dislikes it so much.  I also know that for some people, including me, writing is not the thing to dread that she believes it is, which makes me wonder how universal her thoughts could be.  I leave Dillard on the shelf more because it&#039;s a valuable thing to read books that challenge your own opinions and assumptions, and she does that in her approach to writing.

Just for fun, here are a few other books on my keeper shelf -- if you&#039;ve read any of them, I&#039;d be interested in your thoughts.

THE WAR OF ART, by Steven Pressfield
ART AND FEAR, by David Bayles and Ted Orland
ESCAPING INTO THE OPEN, by Elizabeth Berg
DEEP WRITING, by Eric Maisel

As always, thanks for an interesting post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tharp&#8217;s on my keeper shelf, right next to Brande, Ueland, King, and a few others.  Dillard&#8217;s on my shelf, but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll keep her &#8212; she seems to dislike writing, which makes me wonder why she does it if she dislikes it so much.  I also know that for some people, including me, writing is not the thing to dread that she believes it is, which makes me wonder how universal her thoughts could be.  I leave Dillard on the shelf more because it&#8217;s a valuable thing to read books that challenge your own opinions and assumptions, and she does that in her approach to writing.</p>
<p>Just for fun, here are a few other books on my keeper shelf &#8212; if you&#8217;ve read any of them, I&#8217;d be interested in your thoughts.</p>
<p>THE WAR OF ART, by Steven Pressfield<br />
ART AND FEAR, by David Bayles and Ted Orland<br />
ESCAPING INTO THE OPEN, by Elizabeth Berg<br />
DEEP WRITING, by Eric Maisel</p>
<p>As always, thanks for an interesting post!</p>
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